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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 11, 2014 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

10 Bands?

Furthur
The Other Ones
The Dead
Ratdog
Phil & Friends

There's 5!
I think that those bands are based on the hype.

However, I think Jerry was the best guitarist in Rock n Roll history... and that's what created the hype.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 11, 2014 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I agree w his list largely. You all have heard me say all this for yrs and yrs (yes, even before 2004). The DEAD were living off the hype (their glory days) since about 71, in my view (ie, the classic points about declines in vocals, song writing, etc.). This guy basically critiques the 80s and 90s DEAD and that is more or less on target. Of course those performances largely sucked, and folks enjoyed it because of their love of the BAND not the actual product. Don't write in--just making the same ol same old pt, right?

But, here he misses the point: the DEAD are unique because they lasted so long, and if we examine the "real" product, 68-70, we see the "cover band" biz evaporates, blah, blah, blah. I talked just the way he did about them by 95, and most folks here, even the ones that love "all DEAD, all the time" would probably concede that point...

Yes, I even have said many times here that EC wasn't critical to CREAM--any old top ten guitarist would've been okay as long as you had JB & GB.

So, overall, I think some of these points have merit; nothing too off the wall about these comments (clearly this critic needs creativity with a uppercase C, musical abilities, etc., etc.).

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 11, 2014 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

OK now Tell... Let me be clear!
I don't really like anything they did before 71 nearly as much as I do 72-93...
I can pinpoint shows and reasons all day long on this topic.

I would venture that 72-4 has the biggest fan base, and the 80's didn't get popular because of 1969... People didn't care so much about that period then.

I get that you like the early stuff, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water here!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 12, 2014 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

;)

Yeah, that's my "same old, same old", re: early is better biz...just stirring things up (I do think we all agree that over the 30 yrs, they lost a lot by 95; since then, Bob at least, even more, etc.).

But, the thing that I feel the guy got completely wrong is that it is a mis-use of "hype" (I really meant "resting on their laurels" or "age related degradation can't be avoided" or whatever explanation you want to provide)...

Thus, to say the DOORS were "all hype" or some such, I get, right? IE, the notion that there might not have been any substance to them (I actually disagree, but most are sympathetic to this position)...the idea that some band was cahsing in on a trend, or band wagon; more marketing (ahem) of some sort than real creativity?

That is misapplied to the DEAD; they did all those things early on, and have such a long history that it can't be hype, really--but one might say that (as I would) that in the 80s and 90s it was more about reputation than substance? It seems most folks feel that way about Further, though I get that PatK feels otherwise...

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 12, 2014 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 10 most overrated bands... GD related.

I think 90s dead was definitely more reputation than delivery, but there were those great moments that many kept going for... and getting less and less consistently.

I agree with you that the Doors were awesome, as well.